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B§x¿44¶»1@$ · Aug 14, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

In my opinion, thats why in game mods would be awesome.

Not even have anything to set them apart from other players.

If they spy n00btasticness (not newbyness, big difference guys), 24 hour ban. Teach em a lesson.

Sir Skullcrasher · Aug 14, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

In-Game mods would be a bad idea ... anyone ever been to CS game where you meet admin who is out to get you? What if this in-game mods is trigger happy and banning peoples without reason? I don't think this idea would work well and not to mention, how many in-game mods you needed to patrol all the trades going on.

eternal pho · Aug 14, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

A lot of in game traders aren't even aware of current prices. That's the true problem of these people. I guess they don't know that there is a guru?

Harold · Aug 14, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

My favourites are the 'traders' who come upto you and try to flog you an item of your profession.

Just last week as i headed to the Storage in KC someone came upto me and put a 15^50 Zodiac bow into trade... so i just submitted and accepted. He whispered me saying '50k'... then eventually a few minute later he closed the trade.

How can people even trade in KC anyway... the spam makes my head hurt its so bad.

I utterly loathe these guys. Once at Shing Jea, someone spotted my assassin and ran proceeded to run up and open the trade window, offering daggers of some sort. I immediately canceled, he opened again, so I canceled again. He then proceeded to open again, so I put a crimson copper coin in the window. He paused for a second and canceled the trade; I opened trade again and submitted the copper coin.

He canceled the trade and ran away. I chased him down and once again submitted a copper coin. This continued for a good five minutes with him saying in all chat "Leave me alone" and "I don't want it" (I guess it didn't occur to him to leave the district?). After chasing him down for a while, I eventually let up. Not very mature, I know..but at least he was unable to annoy others since I kept opening the trade window on him.

Cybah · Aug 14, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

hahahaha great

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 14, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Alot in game have never seen the Ssaki sword. They only hear green sword. They don't buy because its not a fashionable looking sword (some worry more about looks then damage dealt etc..). Many just want to see it, or just get their kicks bugging people. If they ever put in a /backhand command, I'll use it often lol *sigh* I miss the /duel command from swg.. lol

Enko · Aug 14, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by extra bacon

when i was actively trading, i used the ventari's sell forums and the guru auctions to sell. saved time and allowed me to (usually) avoid fools like what the OP encountered ingame.
and if anyone randomly opened a trade window with me ingame and put some items up, i clicked submit and accept and they always cancelled the trade and went away. (i thought they were giving me gifts.

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People do that to my selling character (I just leave it standing sometimes in Droks, LA, Ascalon, or Kaineng to sell. only lvl 7). After I've hit submit, some people have had actually accepted back before. If it was a mistake on their part and they ask back politely, I'll give them the item back with a slight chiding for randomly opening trade windows with people. I've also just left the trade window open until they left while I'm playing on my other account.

There are quite a few idiot traders in the game. I was selling unided golds this weekend for 1k with these following messages:

"Selling Unid Golds for Wisdom Title Seekers. 1k. Please send whisper. (no daggers, swords, bows, or axes)"

About 20 people pmed me with variations of "any max swords/axes/bows etc"

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Originally Posted by eternal pho

A lot of in game traders aren't even aware of current prices. That's the true problem of these people. I guess they don't know that there is a guru?

Its not even that. Some people are just ignorant of basic economic concepts. There was some guy in Droks who wanted to buy parchment. I said I had it, 75 gold each (yes I know its high. I expect people to barter). He said he needed 200. In trade window, he puts up 3k and I tell him total price (15k) and even offered to drop the price for each down to 65. He says they can't possibly be that expensive and calls me a scammer. Now material trading has a set price floor and price max due to the prices given at the merchant. No seller is going to sell it for less than what he can get at the merchant and no buyer will buy for more than the merchant. Because Guild Wars doesn't have a monthly fee like WoW or CoH/CoV, the younger age population is a lot higher.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

My favourites are the 'traders' who come upto you and try to flog you an item of your profession.

Just last week as i headed to the Storage in KC someone came upto me and put a 15^50 Zodiac bow into trade... so i just submitted and accepted. He whispered me saying '50k'... then eventually a few minute later he closed the trade.

How can people even trade in KC anyway... the spam makes my head hurt its so bad.

When I'm buying or selling stuff, I just turn off local and trade chat and just send out my messages every 15 seconds. If people are interested, they'll whisper me. The interesting thing about the people who just randomly put up trades is that you can get extremely good deals off of them. Since I peddle in mini pets, some guy put up a Shiro. I just hit submit and accept like I usually do and he just stood there for another 5 minutes with the trade window open. Eventually I put up 10k and he accepted and all this without a word from him ... Turned around and immediately started selling the Shiro for 100k right in front of him and sold it in a matter of minutes.

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 14, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Quote:

"Selling Unid Golds for Wisdom Title Seekers. 1k. Please send whisper. (no daggers, swords, bows, or axes)"

About 20 people pmed me with variations of "any max swords/axes/bows etc"

This is usually done by those bored jerks that think they are so cool. They see that you have none so they ask to be a pain and take up your time. Most are the best arguments for birth control I ever heard.

042 · Aug 14, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Remeber, alot of these players are 10,12, 14, 15 year old kids, and have very little concept of trading. That being said, I have waisted more than my fair share of time with idiots.

If you are going to buy it, then buy it. If not, say nty and be on your way. Posting your price up front eliminates alot of time in deciding a range of pricing. Also, say "gold only" or "no trades"- to make sure you get what you want. Be specific when trading. If in the end, people still don't get it, that's what the ignore feature is for.

They should have titles for traders, like ebay, such as power seller or power buyer, with ratings!- lol

The Primeval King · Aug 14, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Yes, an auction house is really needed. I'm sick of retards like this lol. For example, yesterday I was selling a Mini Bone Dragon, and my C/O for it was 100k+15 ectos. (This offer came from a smart person) However, I kept getting retarded offers like "I'll give you 100k and 15 candycanes for it!" in all caps and horrible grammar of course. So I tried to explain to him that candycanes are worth much less than ectos. He called me a noob and ignored me and started spamming that I was a scammer. Ok, so I move to Lion's Arch. I got an offer of a Kuunavang for it, 5 crappy hammers, and a black dye. What is wrong with these people?!! Also, for ALL my trades where I list the price, people will ask me to see the item. I figure ok, a potential buyer. But no. They will ask me for the price, and then when I say it (even though I list it very clearly in the trade chat) they say nty. Now WHY are they waisting my time and their by doing this? It makes no sense!

EternalTempest · Aug 14, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

The problem I have is "make offer".. the reason being is I'm a casual player (since oringal BWE events -> GW -> GWF) but the problem is I'm not in the trading circles so I have no idea what the value of items is.

@op - Make offer only... I can't agree with you.. but for everything else (giving price), agree.

An Auction/Trade house would also fix my problem, I would be able to know the "going" price of the item so when someone is spamming outside of Auction/Trade house the "population" will keep prices in line and stablize a lot of things.

Phantom Gun · Aug 14, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Not much I can say about traders since I hardly do any of it. The only thing I can say is I wish they would use the trade tab instead of public chat. Nothing like looking for a group and seeing a wall of text from traders spamming their items in public chat. *rolls eyes*

Beat_Go_Stick · Aug 14, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Bokocasso

For example, I had a spare sskai sword for sale. I'm going to KC and advertising " WTS Sskais Sword" .... I get whisped "price"?, I said "offer?", he replied " nvm" .... now wtf is this, trading?

Man, I do the same thing. The whole "offer" thing annoys the crap out of me. The only reason you ask for an offer is to try and screw someone over...which is exactly what you were trying to do.

You knew what it was worth since you abviously were able to set a price immediately after. I hate to say it but people like you are the reason I hate trading in this game. Had someone who was clueless offerred you 20k, you would have happily taken it and screwed him regardless of how hard he worked for his money.

"Offering" is the main reason I never enjoyed trading in Guild Wars. I mean, seriously, when have you ever gone into a flea market, seen something you liked, asked how much it was, and had the shopkeeper tell you to "make him an offer"? Never, that's when.

Ken Dei · Aug 14, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

People who open random trade windows with me get offered 1 gold for whatever they are selling.

Zubie · Aug 14, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

"Offering" is the main reason I never enjoyed trading in Guild Wars. I mean, seriously, when have you ever gone into a flea market, seen something you liked, asked how much it was, and had the shopkeeper tell you to "make him an offer"? Never, that's when.

The man has a point .. if you want to sell it give a price and then haggle.
If I want something I will ask for a price and if they say offer I will usually say something like "Tell me what you want and I'll tell you if its too much or what"

They dont know what they want for I'll find someone who does

death fuzzy · Aug 14, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

with the first thing, when people ask for the price and say nvm when you say offer is because they want to know how much its worth.

i mean..are you going to hate them for that?

Bokocasso · Aug 14, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

@ Beat_Go_Stick
LOL!! Like I need to screw ppl over 5k... O__O It's people like YOU who make this whole scenery look like crap. I said offer because I KNOW that when I say 15 prolly the other guy would just say nvm or never reply back. I know because that happens all the time. So I want to know how much is that guy willing to pay, and eventually with some talking we can come to a price that suits us both. No offence man but you theory is pretty moronic. And excuse me, but IF that guys offers me more money that the items is worth That is HIS PROBLEM. I never buy anything before I check how much it is worth. And If he offered... say 30k - I'd sell it right away, It's HIS problem that he is a noob with prices. I've sold things at pretty much the lowest prices and I have no problem selling them at the highest prices as long as there is someone to offer that price. Oh and yes - I have met all kind of traders and been in all kinds of situation as I am sure all of you have but some things just start to piss me off, at at a certain point I had to write what I think about it. But whatever, so far I haven't seen a thread where noone flames the op... guees it's normal -.-

EternalTempest · Aug 14, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

If the seller goes make offer 1st two things happen, if the buyer is to low the seller get's irked due to bid being too low... if it's too high seller goes "ok" and then makes even more profit from it then it's worth.

The only way make offer is "fair" is if the seller and the buyer do have an idea of current value and the people who do know the vaule of things are typically among the sellers.

Now in your case I aruge, I don't know what x costs, how much will you sell it, looks at gold on hand... (I can't afford it or refuse to pay that much) and go one.

Now with an auction house / trade house system, it will give everyone the ability to easily see the going price of any item so with little effort you could know the general vaule of things and then be on even footing with sellers to haggle with "make offer".

Opeth11 · Aug 14, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Regarding the "no noobs" comment, I think it's just the trader's way to say: "Don't offer me 20k, I want 100."

Loralai · Aug 14, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

I do that all the time. I mean, they didn't PM me before hand or talk to me, so obviously they must be offering these wondering unid gold items to me for free

Better yet, keep granite slabs or a clay brick handy just to offer in return. That gets a lot of cancelled random trades.